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#51 itsjustme

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Posted 15 February 2009 - 02:12 AM

Mark, you are the bomb! I'm going to keep saying/typing it until you believe it too. I don't think the number of recent downloads is an accurate indicator of interest in your work either. As a community, we need as many people working in their "lab" as possible...that's where the real innovations are born. You're doing fantastic work, and I'm very appreciative.

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Posted 15 February 2009 - 09:00 AM

I'm very appreciative too Mark. I can't frequent the forum as much as I'd like these days as I have quite a few distractions going on. The last time I tried installing the rig there were problems with the mirror bones not mirroring some bones and weights. Has this been sorted out now? I'm sure once this rig is used a few times and becomes THE rig to install it will be downloaded in far greater numbers. Please don't give up on it now.

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Posted 20 April 2009 - 07:41 PM

Just read through your instructions. Sounds simple and the instructions looked very easy to follow! Great job on that PDF! I will try this out in the morning!
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Posted 21 April 2009 - 06:15 AM

It is prety easy ,just be sure you cfa'd your model first
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Posted 21 April 2009 - 07:12 AM

yeah and make sure the mirror tool works afterwards. To cfa (copy/flipp/attach) select the centerspline and first scale the pivot to x=0, then scale the whole spline to x=0, then copy flip attach the right half of the model ( you will have to reselect five pointpatches and reattach hooks near the middle afterwards) then test the mirrortool on your controlpoints by dragging them around to check if everything worked correctly. Sorry in case you are allready familiar with that, I just like to point it out again sometimes to whomever it might concern, because I had so many difficulties with that myself.

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Posted 02 June 2009 - 02:48 PM

yeah and make sure the mirror tool works afterwards.

To cfa (copy/flipp/attach) select the centerspline and first scale the pivot to x=0, then scale the whole spline to x=0, then copy flip attach the right half of the model ( you will have to reselect five pointpatches and reattach hooks near the middle afterwards)
then test the mirrortool on your controlpoints by dragging them around to check if everything worked correctly.

Sorry in case you are allready familiar with that, I just like to point it out again sometimes to whomever it might concern, because
I had so many difficulties with that myself.



Firstly a huge thanks to Mark for the 2008 rig, it's got to be the easiest installation by far.

Things I stumbled on but quickly resolved .. totally agree with jakerupert about the cfa. it was better to delete half the model and re-copy/flip/attach than messing with each cp that didn't get captured.

Also the mirrorbones plugin ... I kept losing finger tips, toes and other stuff until I found a thread about it somewhere about the 'Left' versus 'left' (and 'Right'/'right') in the dialogue box that caught me out .. too busy comparing check boxes :-/ , but once corrected the whole lot was a breeze.

Many thanks again for an awesome rig.
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Posted 27 July 2009 - 09:24 AM

Mark I got something wrong on this one ,this is in the action window after saving and importing the model with the rig installed .There is something strange with the nees and the foot is gone funny ,got any idea what this is or if I can fix it please Mark edit .the foot problem was a couple of cp's not asigned,but have no idea about the left leg and nees

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Posted 27 July 2009 - 02:53 PM

Do you have a version of the model before you exported (rig positioned, but not mirrored)? It looks as though IK legs was ON, when it should have been OFF, when exporting. What version of A:M, 15f?
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Posted 27 July 2009 - 03:05 PM

I think I have ,I remember that the off buttons were not all off so I turned them off before exporting ,Im thinking maybe its not cfa'd properly maybe,as there was a left pelvis bone ,no other bones were doubled up though so I deleated that and re asigned the cp's.Maybe something els got messed up though.Can I send you the file Mark edit No damit I don't have a copy before mirror bones only without any bones or install rig or a compleated version
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Posted 27 July 2009 - 03:15 PM

Send it.
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Posted 27 July 2009 - 03:43 PM

Sent it .I didn't enclude any decals as its to big with them .Thank's for taking a look Mark
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Posted 27 July 2009 - 06:58 PM

By any chance did you translate the knee joint from the front view during installation? If you did, don't (it doesn't need to be center in the geometry from the front). Only translate the joint from a side view. I sent you the fixed model. Let me know if everything works ok. I also suggest to redirect a few splines in the shoulder/chest area, it will eleminate 4 unnecessary hooks on each side.

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#63 steve392

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Posted 28 July 2009 - 01:04 AM

That worked great Mark ,Thank's a lot it saved me a lot of work and I learned from it and Ill take a look at them hooks ,didn't even notice that before
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Posted 09 September 2009 - 08:24 AM

I'm just testing this to install in a model. The example characters' thumbs second joints don't bend in v15f. Is this a version bug or is there something I'm missing? Thanks.
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Posted 09 September 2009 - 09:55 AM

As far as I kno no it doesn't ,but you could make a pose for it if needed perhaps Ken ,but its a real nice rig
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Posted 09 September 2009 - 10:27 AM

It works fine in v15e, I have v15f on another computer, so I can't test it at the moment. Robby's thumbs are a bit stiff, but they do work. You can also turn ON the FK controls for the fingers and thumbs to manually rotate them. I have been working on an update for the rig, which includes updated finger/thumb controls. I'm not sure when I'll have the new update posted.
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Posted 09 September 2009 - 10:52 AM

Hellfires ,the time Iv been using it youd think I would have rememberd that,Sorry Kenn
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Posted 09 September 2009 - 10:52 AM

That'll do it till the update. Thanks fellas.
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Posted 09 September 2009 - 11:06 AM

Works fine in v15f as well.
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Posted 09 September 2009 - 01:10 PM

Ah it does here too. I was rotating the big thumb bone. I think I've been using the squetch rig too long. Cheers.
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Posted 09 September 2009 - 01:21 PM

That's going to be part of the redesign, no small bone to rotate. a sample model is located here.
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Posted 09 September 2009 - 01:37 PM

Love it. Very handy.
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Posted 09 September 2009 - 01:57 PM

Just so you know, the nulls can be translated and rotated on the Z axis. I never added it to the rig because there was only one person who gave me feedback, that was Steve.
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Posted 09 September 2009 - 05:16 PM

Now you have two. As long as it doesn't complicate installation too much, I'd say go for it.
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Posted 10 September 2009 - 07:38 AM

It doesn't change anything in the installation.
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Posted 10 September 2009 - 09:53 AM

I've been working with the 2008 rig for several weeks adding it into a robot model I have made. mtpeak2 It's a great rig. I have a little trouble with the thumbs being difficult also but still very functional.
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Posted 10 September 2009 - 04:38 PM

Well, I got the new finger controls integrated into the installer, still a few things I need to do, if I want to change a few things. I'm debating whether or not to integrate the BVH setup I was working on or post it as an add-on or if it's worth posting at all. I'm also debating the face rig I was working on, there wasn't much feedback on the sample model I posted either, my method is a bit unorthodox compared to others.
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Posted 10 September 2009 - 05:26 PM

I'd prefer to do the face rig with poses. I can't remember if your method used bones.
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Posted 10 September 2009 - 05:32 PM

Yes, it used bones, with phoneme poses already setup and A:M Track integrated, on top of a control rig. A sample model is located here.
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Posted 10 September 2009 - 05:40 PM

Not sure why you don't want to use Mark's face rig. It works really well. But if you want to use muscle based poses, just don't assign any of the face CPs to any of the face bones. Make a muscle pose for each thing you want to animate. Then make a new relationship for each face control where the translation or rotation of the control moves one or more of your facial pose sliders.

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Posted 10 September 2009 - 06:27 PM

Thanks for the kind words Holmes, though Ken is quite talented in setting up muscle based facial poses. So, with that said, there is a dilemma. Do I integrate muscle based poses into the rig? Do I want to waste my time? ;)
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Posted 11 September 2009 - 03:32 AM

Aww thanks Mark.
I think I feel less constrained (pun intended) with muscle mode Holmes. I believe I can achieve results faster too....that's faster compared to me doing it with bones.......not say someone like Mark.
At the very least, I wouldn't mind eye/lid/jaw bones included in the rig.

I also took a look at file sizes and noted that the model with the face rig is twice the size of the model with the body rig. I don't know if it's a fair comparison though. But suffice to say, I like small.
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Posted 11 September 2009 - 04:31 AM

If you got the fac rig/the AMtrack and the BVH settup it would be a absolute magical rig .Its allready dam good but that would be terrific Mark.And its definitely not a waiste of time ,More and more ppl are using it .I think it takes a lot of time before ppl change from one rig to another that theye don't know
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Posted 16 November 2009 - 06:13 PM

I found a minor issue with installation. It only happens under certain conditions. I think I have it fixed, but I need to test it. I should be posting an update in the next day or so. Unfortunely, I don't have a fix for existing models. The update will also include a couple of new features.
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Posted 17 November 2009 - 02:15 AM

Sounds good ,can't wiate to see the new features .Thank's for your time and work Mark ,much appreciated
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Posted 17 November 2009 - 08:53 AM

This is perfect timing. I have begun to rig the characters so I will wait for a few more days. thanks Mark for all you do around this forum. It is appreciated. Steve
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Posted 20 November 2009 - 02:58 PM

Thanks guys. I should have the update post sometime tonight. I just have to check a few things.
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Posted 20 November 2009 - 03:47 PM

Woo hoo great Mark ,pitty I gota sleep dam it
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Posted 20 November 2009 - 04:41 PM

Oh man I am in Texas and I won't be back for a few days. Maybe log in remotely and play looking forward to getting them moving steve
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Posted 20 November 2009 - 07:50 PM

New update posted in first post of this thread.
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Posted 20 November 2009 - 08:52 PM

Sweet Thanks!

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Posted 20 November 2009 - 10:20 PM

Thanks Mark!

Anyone interested in rigging their characters needs to download and walk through this PDF rigging instruction.
There is a lot of great insight into the process to be found in this Step by Step tutorial.



(As Mark mentioned it's in his first post... HERE.)

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Posted 21 November 2009 - 01:26 AM

Well done Mark and thank's a lot for your time and effort
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Posted 21 November 2009 - 07:34 AM

Thank you Mark! Can you tell us what the new finger controls do? I just installed the rig in 2 characters last week, and everything works fine. Great rig! Michel

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Posted 21 November 2009 - 07:47 AM

Here's an example.

If you want to send me the models, I can update them to the latest update. Unfortunately, there is no easy way to do that.
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Posted 21 November 2009 - 09:26 AM

Here's an example of the steady FK arms .

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Posted 21 November 2009 - 11:42 AM

Thank you Mark for the information. Michel

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Posted 21 November 2009 - 12:02 PM

The 2008 rig is really a great rig. Can't wait to test drive the updates. Thank you Mark
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Posted 21 November 2009 - 01:31 PM

Seems to work pretty well, thumb control is still pretty touchy. Almost done with rigging my character but have one really stupid question, Do I assign the majority of the cp's on the foot to the foot geom bone? I don't like the auto assign cp's because it seems to make more work undoing what it assigns to. I find it much much faster just to assign manually.

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Posted 21 November 2009 - 04:41 PM

yes
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