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#1 Simon Edmondson

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Posted 14 July 2018 - 07:58 AM

I'm working away on a project which will combine AM animation with hand drawn animation in TVpaint. I will post some interim results in the WIP space later.  To make it easier at the drawing stage, I've started rendering out at UHD resolution.. Unfortunately, it is taking a long time to render each frame, between 7:30 and 10:00 hours.  Thats not a big headache, although it would be better to shorten the time, as I can get on with something else while waiting.  However, what is of concern is an inconsistency in the renders.

 

These are png conversions from TGA originals

 

Mix Scene One 151.png

Notice the shadows and the lighting, it is almost as if someone stepped in front of the light source?

 

Mix Scene One 152.png

 

This is the next frame in the sequence.

The only animated change  in the  objects, rather than the lighting or setting.

 

It is more marked a few frames later in the sequence

Mix Scene One 159.png

with a darker area on the back wall below the cupboard?

 

and the next frame

Mix Scene One 160.png

 

They were rendered on the same machine by the same iteration of AM. Could anyone kindly offer a possible reason and cure? Thank you.

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Posted 14 July 2018 - 10:12 AM

If you can send me a PM with the whole schmear in a PRJ I woudl take a look at it.

 

It's hard to diagnose just from the image.


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Posted 14 July 2018 - 01:15 PM

Thank You very much Robert.

I shall try to sort it out.

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Posted 15 July 2018 - 09:54 PM

Is this close to what you are wanting?

This is 4K and takes 6 minutes

 

FlourDanceSun-NoGAMP5x4kSMap1K125.jpg


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Posted 16 July 2018 - 11:54 AM

Wow- TV Paint, I had forgotten about that and googled it on your mention... it is from the 'Amiga days', when I was using Deluxe Paint by Electronic Arts. Is it a good program you can recommend for 2D animation?



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Posted 17 July 2018 - 01:44 PM

Is this close to what you are wanting?

This is 4K and takes 6 minutes

 

attachicon.gifFlourDanceSun-NoGAMP5x4kSMap1K125.jpg

 

Robert

 

Thank you very much for your help.  Much appreciated.

How did you get it to 6mins.Did you used 64bit AM ?

I was thinking of getting a windows  machine just to use for rendering out with AM64 and nothing else. But haven't jumped yet.

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Posted 17 July 2018 - 01:58 PM

Wow- TV Paint, I had forgotten about that and googled it on your mention... it is from the 'Amiga days', when I was using Deluxe Paint by Electronic Arts. Is it a good program you can recommend for 2D animation?

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I too used TVpaint on the Amiga, much preferred it to Deluxe Paint as it happens.

 

This TVpaint is not the same unfortunately.

Its made by a French company and is a very good 2D animation program.

https://www.tvpaint.com

 

I bought it when doing  a course, so got it at  educational price. Otherwise its rather expensive. There are two flavours of it, standard and Pro. A staff member on the course advised me not to bother with the Pro version and, sadly, I took that advice. Wish I'd got the Pro version now. I've barely touched it, let alone scratched the surface.Hoping to use this project to gain experience for the next one and take it a few steps further along. It has a lot of features and its emulation of traditional media is first rate. Rather than  me waffle on about it, try the Aaron Blaise tutorials on Youtube ?

This is one of them.

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=t_B8lB3Gf_w

 

I have tried it yet but, Studio Ghibli  released the 2D software they use, as Freeware. Its supposed to be very good. Might be worth looking up if interested ?

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Posted 17 July 2018 - 02:24 PM

 

Is this close to what you are wanting?

This is 4K and takes 6 minutes

 

attachicon.gifFlourDanceSun-NoGAMP5x4kSMap1K125.jpg

 

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Thank you very much for your help.  Much appreciated.

How did you get it to 6mins.Did you used 64bit AM ?

I was thinking of getting a windows  machine just to use for rendering out with AM64 and nothing else. But haven't jumped yet.

regards

Simon

 

 

What I did is to edit the lighting to not take so much time.

IS IT THE APPEARANCE YOU WANT?

If it is I can show you how to set this up. If it isn't what you want yet, I can modify it some more.


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Posted 17 July 2018 - 02:35 PM

 

What I did is to edit the lighting to not take so much time.

IS IT THE APPEARANCE YOU WANT?

If it is I can show you how to set this up. If it isn't what you want yet, I can modify it some more.

 

Robert

Thank you again.

The lighting and the shadows look fine, I will have to look  more closely tomorrow when the  current render finishes and the memory becomes available.

The biggest difference appears to be the  lack of reflections in the mixing bowl and  of the casserole pot on the glass top surface of the cooker.. The cooker is less important but the mixing bowl is quite important in the overall scheme.

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Posted 20 July 2018 - 06:12 AM

Here is an update.  This takes 10 minutes at 4K

 

Reflections are expensive time-wise. 

 

I took them off the coffee mugs since they were barely detectable anyway and put on a glossy specular reflection.

The mixing bowl and stove top do have reflections. I put a gradient material on the mixing bowl that fade the reflection from 95% at the edges to 15% in the middle to more accurately mimic the appearance of glass.

 

FlourDanceSun-8b-125_10Mins.jpg

 

 

 

This version has closer shadows and takes 11:15...

 

FlourDanceSun-8c-125_1115 Mins.jpg

 

 

 

 

 

 


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Posted 20 July 2018 - 06:35 AM

Here is an update.  This takes 10 minutes at 4K

 

Reflections are expensive time-wise. 

 

I took them off the coffee mugs since they were barely detectable anyway and put on a glossy specular reflection.

The mixing bowl and stove top do have reflections. I put a gradient material on the mixing bowl that fade the reflection from 95% at the edges to 15% in the middle to more accurately mimic the appearance of glass.

 

attachicon.gifFlourDanceSun-8b-125_10Mins.jpg

 

Robert

Thank you very much indeed for your help, much appreciated.

Could you please  send me the details of the changes and how to apply them and I'll try them out?

 

On a related theme.

I was checking them last night and  found another 'mis -render'. Stopped it on render pass 2, of 3, and redid it. No error second time around. Its a bit frustrating.

More positively, started rendering on two's as thats how they will be used in the drawings ( should have done that earlier ).

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