Here are links to the v15.0f installers:

• Windows Installer (Web Activated Yearly Subscription)
• Mac Installer (Web Activated Yearly Subscription)
• At this time there is no CD or dongle versions(they are coming soon)
• for older version check our FTP Site and look in the 'old' folder for your OS.

Fixes since last release:
http://www.hash.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=35382
more info here:
http://www.hash.com/forums/index.php?showforum=163

Thank you,
Hash, Inc.

New 15.0f up with .mov fix.

Is there a time frame for the cd version?

Steve

We are working on it now. But the server outage as taken time that would go to the release.

Not to nag but any chance of an update on when the v15.0f disks will be available?
I'm looking forward to getting the latest and really don't want a yearly license.

Thanks,

V15.0f is 'keyed' to the OZ CD volume name 'hash' which we have been shipping as for the v15.0f cd update we are still working on that at this time. I will keep you posted.

I have A:M version 10.5. I used that Windows Installer to install the new version, but when I started the new Animation Master itself, it claimed the "license has expired". Can I get A:M to work?

That would be a six year old version that you're trying to use to install the latest version? Why would you expect that to work?

The latest version of 10.5 would be here for the Windows version or here for the Mac version.

Which link do I click? And can I get the latest version 15 eventually?

The first link was for the Windows version, the second link was for the Mac version...so, if you run Windows, click on the first link, if you run Mac, click on the second.

You can get v15 any time you want, but it won't be free. The web subscription is only $79 (one year subscription), the CD version is $299 (never expires).

I purchased my AM 15 back last nov/dec and it has the OZ theme, is that the one you are referring to? If so is there a download location for it?
I can't find anything on the ftp that has a recent date.

Thanks

Read that sentence you quoted again.
In it Jason states the most recent v15 CD (the Oz CD) is the most current available for CD users.
They are working on the 15f release for the Oz CD users.

That may not be completely clear but thats what he said.

Hope that helps.

I was living in hope because I saw a couple OZ characters on the cd.
Guess I have to head back in line.

When comes 15f CD?

I would also appreciate an update on the CD status.
I am ready to buy a CD and support the software as soon as the 15F CD is available.

Thanks,

I am not a programmer, I'm just a friend of the guys at Hash, so my explanation may not be exactly accurate ...
Hash is actively seeking a solution. Macrovision, the company that provided copy protection for the disk, went out of business. The current supply of disks are "keyed" with a special Macrovision code that requires an accompanying bit of code (previously supplied by Macrovision) to be included in all AM updates. When you fire up the disk version of AM, the software checks the disk for a special (Macrovision encrypted) code in order to tell if the software is legitimate. The company that controls the Macrovision properties does not support Macrovision's old customers, so Hash is SOL. Hash is trying to keep the software "so inexpensive, even an artist can afford it", so it puts a little money aside from each copy sold, and when there is enough money in the "kitty", it prints new disks. When the new disks are created, they can use a different form of copy protection. But they can't do that just yet - they have to sell more disks. Meanwhile, they are stuck with Macrovision protected disks that are no longer supported by that company, since it went out of business. So you can see the difficult position Hash is in. I'm guessing (I don't know) that the faster they sell their current supply of disks, the faster they can print new disks that can benefit from AM updates. The other option would be to dramatically increase the price of AM to provide a large buffer of money so it could just "eat" losses caused by these types of unforeseen circumstances. But I don't think anyone really wants that to happen.

In the meantime, I believe that everyone who bought the CD version of AM, gets a free Web Subscription. So my suggestion (if you really need to use v15f) is to activate your free web subscription and use that until new disks come out.

I'm also wait for the update for the cd. My web subscription is on another computer, so I'm still waiting for the update for the cd for my new computer.

So, are you telling me the people who spent the extra money to upgrade to v15 (cd version) will not receive anymore updates til god knows when? It's starting to sound like this won't be taken care of til v16 comes out. I kind of feel ripped off and not very happy about it.

Thanks for that good info, Holmes. Makes sense.

You shouldn't feel ripped off. The software you bought is worth much more than what you paid. I am not an economics wizard, but a copy of AM appears to be worth somewhere between $1000 - $4000. You bought it for $300. Even if you buy a new disk when they come out, you will still have paid less than what the software is worth. What are you complaining about?

As far as I can see, Hash's other option is to sell the software for what it is worth ($1000 - $4000) so that when something like this happens, they can just mail out new disks (or whatever the situation demands) for "free". Would you rather they start doing that?

Sorry Holmes, but that doesn't change anything. As of right now, there are 45 fixes/additions to A:M (and growing) that I will probably not be able to receive as a full price supporter of A:M. I will not be supporting A:M in the future, if this is the case. I'll probably go back to using v13.

Here is the crux of the misunderstanding. You paid $300. If you had, indeed, been a full price supporter of AM, you would have paid what it is worth. Instead of complaining that you were somehow cheated - which you weren't - why not rise to the occasion and support the company that has bent over backwards to provide you with this incredible set of tools at such a low cost?

Don't give me that BS Holmes, I am a supporter, I've been a supporter for 9 yrs. Yes, I paid $300 (which is the price set by Hash Inc.), to support A:M, instead of the web price. I'm not asking for anything extra, just the same support as the web subscription.

This is one of those circumstances-beyond-their-control situations.

I suppose Martin could have just said it's impossible to deliver the product now and closed everything up.

In searching the web I can't find that Macrovision is bankrupt itself, but it seems to have sold the operation that Hash needed to a "buyout company". (I guess Macrovision needed to money to buy "TV Guide")

Perhaps that company has done some bankruptcy maneuver to cast off its client obligations.

In other strange news, Macrovision has renamed itself "Rovi"

Both of you calm down...

The CD-version has the same support as the websubscription... it is just harder to get it out. If the solution for it is found, the updates will come out at the same frequency as the websubscription.
But till then, you just have to wait for it.

I understand the frustration of course. It's been a while. Please be patient.
As far as I can see it, it is being worked oin it.

And yes, even if the piece of software is worth the money, I although understand very well that the CD people want the same version as the websubsripction-guys.

As far as I have heard, there are technical issues which have to be addressed and it is being worked on them.
I am very sure that it is not planned to lay this down to v16 or so.

See you
*Fuchur*

OK, I deserved that. I bought a CD too, so I am in a similar situation. Hopefully a solution will appear that will be good for everyone.

It would be good to have both a $300 downloadable version that never expires (only keyed to 1 year of updates) and an $80 updateable 1 year expiring subscription version.

Don't need no CD.

Since I heard the Macrovision people are at the back of the unemployment lines, why not offer a new full version like Nancy suggested and for copy protection we can either pinky swear or use a phone home system or authorizie it the same way as 3d Paint does?

If there are any worthwhile improvements over the 15d that I am currently using then I'll just get the subscription version though I like the flexibility to be able to use an alternate machine for rendering so I don't tie my main machine up.

I prefer the pinky swear system but not many others do.

Forgot to add the idea of the good old usb dongles, think they add about $50 to the product which isn't so bad

Some months ago, when the heralded V15.f came out I downloaded it, not knowing it was the web subscription upgrade. When I executed the upgrade my loading screen changed from Tinny & Scarecrow to Ken's Troll. Today when I was having trouble finding out how to press Control and "D" at the same time I did a re-install from my CD. Tinny and SC are back.
Are we sure that the Web subscription upgrade doesn't work with the CD? Or do I not get the full effects of the download?
I'm a little confused. But of course I've been this way since 1969.

EDIT: OK, It was 15.e that I downloaded and installed. Silly Me!


EDIT II: So! What's the holdup on this #@+=~*& 15.f CD release, anyway! (Just Kidding, A:M is the best thing going, regardless!)

The web subscription doesn't require the CD at all. I think you've written over it.

Perhaps what you downnloaded wasn't 15f but 15e. They were misidentified on the site for a while.

Help>About will tell you what version you are running.

Thanks, Rob.

In my edit I explained that it was 15.e that I was talking about.

I have the CD version, and did a re-install over the 15.e update.

I have since re-installed the update and got the troll back.

Thanks for all of your responses over this last year of so.
Myron

Don't know why people are using 15e, I had so many problems with it AM nearly became a coaster if it wasn't for Rob pointing me back to 15d.

The only reason I would think of going to 15f is so I could use my spacemouse, really miss buzzing around my objects as I work.

Any chance for at least a spacemouse plugin for the older versions of 15?

>In the meantime, I believe that everyone who bought the CD version of AM, gets a free Web Subscription.

<I have to agree with Mark on this topic here.
I haven`t recieved such an offer from Hash nor any official word of explanation like Holmes provided nor any backinfo
as long aproximatly I will have to wait..
I think as well it`s no good style to leave customers who even supported Hash more then regular websubscribers
standing in the rain.
But since this is not my worst expierience since 2000 I take it quite calmly, can*t be altered anyhow and we all
will be upgraded sooner or later,
which doesn`t mean, I consider it o.k. though, especially if it means, that people like Mark, who is doing so much
innovative free stuff for us AM users, are driven away.

My only beef with the subscription is if I wanted to run AM on another machine (ie rendering) or work on a laptop I would need to get a copy for the other machine. CD version you simply use that. I wouldn't mind paying for a usb dongle if it came down to that. In all honesty, the programs only $300 and tack on another $50 or so isn't bad. Look at the prices for all the other software out there and the power AM has compared to them.... AM is maybe too affordable.

other people have suggested that...

http://www.hash.com/forums/index.php?s=&am...st&p=177062

A programme after a time in the nirvana disappears is not acceptable to me.

I am for 10 years a user of AM and I really don't want everything free of charge (in June I shopped the 5-pack for 500 US $). But, nevertheless, we do not want to forget, who's here buyer and seller.

I pay money for a product which has an added value in proportion to other products for me. Hash is no welfare organisation I cash donation.



Sorry, but the competition by AM is not Cinema4D or Maya, but Blender. The importent point, which is, why Hash can take money, is service and support. Belongs to it's current bugfixing.