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Shelton
It has been a while since I created something for fun. Here is the first render of the new character I started.
I hope to have the head completed by Tuesday night.

Steve
TheSpleen
That face could be very expressive.
I like it!
HomeSlice
Looks like the makin's of a classic French tragedy about a clown.
Shelton
Ok I am hapy with the shape of the nose. I will add the ears and then clean up time.

Rodney
Very nice!

You know we will ask....

Wireframe please!
Shelton
Got the neck in place and started on the glasses and ears tonight. Corrected all the bias tonight.

Here is a wire frame

Steve

Shelton
I want to create a set of glasses and the lens part needs to be thick. However, I am having a hard time modeling the lens. Here are the glasses so far. When I extrude the glass portion and apply transparency the splines are visible in the glasses

Steve
Paul Forwood
That's a good looking head, Shelton.
It sounds like you are extruding central CPs, instead of just the edges, which will create internal patches that you do not want.

Copy a spline ring from inside the lens frame and extrude to the correct thickness. Then stitch both faces as you want them. Give the lens an Index of Refraction of, hmm..something like 1.3, if my memory serves me correctly. This will cause the lens to refract and magnify like a real lens. Adjust your transparency to suit your needs.

I would think about bevelling the arms on those spectacles. The edges are far too sharp to wear next to the face. wink.gif

Hope that helps.
Rodney
We could tell from the smoothness of your mesh that you had an optimized spline layout.
Your wireframe confirms that!

Outstanding modeling. smile.gif

He reminds me a lot of Barry Zundel's work.
Do I detect an influence?
Shelton
Thanks Guys.

The arms of the glasses have not been attached yet and I will bevel those guys. Ok on the patch of the lens, it should not be extruded?

Rodney I like Zundels stuff (especially the eye brows) but also Jim Talbot? Some of his stuff on the cd is really incredible. I have watch those tutorials dozens of times.

Steve
Shelton
Got the ears in place and i am happy with them for now. I have started on the mouth and should have that completed Friday. I am trying to use Will Sutton's method on teeth.

Steve

Shelton
Finally had some time to get the body, arms and hands into place. Here is a shot.
Shelton
Reworked shoulders, arms and torso. Placed legs on the body and just playing with some color and sss.

Steve
Shelton
Need some help on cloth. I have looked through the section on cloth simulations, but does anyone have a tut on placing clothes on a body?

Steve
Shelton
Feet are in and now to start thinking of clothing.

Steve

Shelton
Finally had some time to add some clothes

Steve

Shelton
Sorry about that, here is the corrected sss settings

Steve

TheSpleen
wish I modeled as good as you do.
itsjustme
Nice looking character, Steve!

I'm not positive, but the shoulders might need to be pulled outward some...I also may be looking at it wrong.
Shelton
Hi David. Take a look at the previous shots without the top on. I had pulled the shoulders out. I thought I might have good movement with those.

Thanks for looking

Hi Gene. I wish I could model like your characters. Everytime I start something I tend to try to go to realism (which is bad because I can't get it) rather than a character like yours that has so much personality.

Steve
Shelton
This may sound pretty stupid, but here goes. As I am creating groups for my character I noticed folders being created in the PWS called Groups. When I try to access them there is nothing in them. What are they and where did they come from? Has it been that way all along?
NancyGormezano
Your character's face has great personality - if you want to get away from realism a bit - you might consider stylizing the body as well - using exaggerated proportions - eg - skinnier legs, hips or more giant muscles, or longer torso or etc...something unreal which communicates the personality, intelligence, in a caricatured way.

As for the ghost groups thing - it's a mystery to most of us - we've all? seen something like it it in various forms.

Perhaps ? Delete all the phantom group folders, delete chor. Then save your models immediately (separately - not embedded) - close then restart A:M - bring models back in..still there?
Shelton
Thanks Nancy! I have tried a couple of things, like skinnier legs and well I felt like I was copying the Bowler Hat guy from Meet the Robinsons or the Will character from Zundel studios. I tried huge muscles and I saw that it was going to be tough to weight the character. (not very good at rigging). I just might try a longer torso with shorter legs.

As far as the ghosting issue. I tried excatly what you said and they came back. And since the time of the Group folders appearing AM has been crashing. I can honestly say AM has not crashed on me in months until the mysterious group folders appeared.

Steve

Gerry
Hm, I haven't seen those ghost folders myself. Does this seem to be a common problem?

Oh, Nice character!!
largento
Great job, Steve!
Paul Forwood
Nice work, Shelton!
Regarding the phantom group folders, have you tried selecting the geometry, making a copy and pasting into a new empty model window, saving and then starting a new project with the new model? I'm not saying that it will definitely work but if you haven't rigged him yet you have nothing to lose. Sometimes, when things get bogged down while modelling in A:M, it helps to start a new, clean project and just bring in what is relevant to that model.
Shelton
Hi Paul!

Thanks all!

I tried that the first thing. After the last note, I saved the model, shutdown AM, loaded the model and no Groups. However, I loaded a second model into the project and groups appeared again.

And it may have been this way as I am not complaining, but all my grouping folders disappeared when I reloaded the model. this may have been this way all along.

Right now during this modeling stage I am not too worried but I want to start on rigging (hardest thing for me) and want to make sure something is not going to creep in.

Steve
Shelton
Well, I removed all the texturing and shaders on the project saved the files and reloaded and the mysterious folders have disappeared.

Steve

Shelton
Here are the glasses. I am having trouble with the setting on the lense. I want it to magnify slightly / refract.

Steve
Shelton
The glasses are in place. Clean up some other areas and just need to get the glass settings right

Steve

TheSpleen
I love the character!
NancyGormezano
QUOTE(Shelton @ Mar 11 2009, 07:30 PM) *
Well, I removed all the texturing and shaders on the project saved the files and reloaded and the mysterious folders have disappeared.


Weird. I'm wondering did you bring this in from another project? dif version of A:M? Have multiple windows (chor, action) open when modeling?

Gerry - phantom folders haven't happened to everyone - but it pops/popped up in some form or another on TWO, SO on occasion.

Shelton - Glasses on character look good, he looks like a more thoughtful character - the whole personality changed from how he looked before - I thought he was going to be a schmarmy type guy - now he looks more like a genuine nice mild mannered guy (clark kentish)

The image with glasses looks good, but it looks very dark to me (I thought? my monitor was calibrated)...how are you rendering this?
Shelton
It is dark. I have a new monitor, actually a Sony Bravia XBr6 32". The settings on it were set to bright so I kept making things darker. I have reset it and hopefully some of the newer pics will not be so dark.

One thing I can say is that there were several models open while I was modeling him. Other than that I have done everything in 15e

The character will have different uses. One will be a spokes person for a website. So I am glad you said he has mild look as that is what I was aiming for!!

I started drawing out some ideas to modify his body. Hope to have that done tomorrow.

Thanks for the comments.

Steve smile.gif
Shelton
The rig is installed and now I am weighting the character. Took a break from him and started a new one. Here is the first render of him with the first run of the splines.

Steve
TheSpleen
You do great work!
GizmoMkI
Put a big dimple in his chin, and he'd look like Kirk Douglas.
TheSpleen
QUOTE(GizmoMkI @ Mar 27 2009, 11:43 PM) *
Put a big dimple in his chin, and he'd look like Kirk Douglas.

Your Right!!!
jason1025
QUOTE(Shelton @ Mar 9 2009, 11:27 PM) *
Finally had some time to add some clothes

Steve



Are the clothes a separate model? Are they apart of the body mesh? I am trying to grasp the concept.
Shelton
Clothes are seperate items. I added the chin and it looks good I will post an update later

Steve

Shelton
Decided to rework the chin and cheek area along with the jowl area. Just need to clean up and remove some unneeded splines. I will have the ears on tonight and will work on the hair setup and then to the body. Here are the front and side shots before the ears

Steve
jirard
QUOTE(Shelton @ Feb 24 2009, 08:27 PM) *
Got the neck in place and started on the glasses and ears tonight. Corrected all the bias tonight.

Here is a wire frame

Steve

Nice model
Can I see a few different views of the wireframe for the first face in this post? I am struggling with making faces right now (I dont know why) and maybe a new way of setting up the splines would help.
Thanks
Shelton
Here are the 3/4 and front of the finished character

Steve
jirard
Thank you
I just want to make sure i am seeing this right. Is the area where I have the red arrow pointing a 3 point patch with a hook? Are the 5 point patches I have outlined in blue connected directly to the outer nostril or are there patches where I have placed the yellow outline. If there arent patches behind the yellow line did u tweak ank bias handles? It seems like there would be creases the way you did this but the model is smooth. I like this patch setup cuz it will make modeling a character i am struggling with a lot easier to make.
Again thanks.
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jason1025
QUOTE(Shelton @ Mar 28 2009, 11:41 AM) *
Clothes are seperate items. I added the chin and it looks good I will post an update later

Steve



Do you add them in an action?
Shelton
Yes the red arrow is pointing to a three point patch. There is a spline that goes behind/in front of the 5 point and there is a 4 patch hidden behind the nostril. I learned this from a tutorial from Jim Talbot I think.

The Clothes were put on in both action and model. When I finish the weighting of this character I will dive more into the cloth simulation. I will keep you posted. I have learned more from Vern and his rig with the stage.

Steve
TheSpleen
great progress!
Paul Forwood
Yes. Excellent work, Shelton.
Shelton
I got the ears in and now clean up on the face and ready for the body. I am going dress him business causal. May have some questions on textures. I still can not decal an object correctly without the decal being corrupted.

Steve
jirard
Good stuff Shelton. He has a lot of personality.
Shelton
Thanks guys. I have finished the head and working on the body. Should have an up date shorlty.

Steve
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