Design by John Neill

Running more than a bit contrary to John Neill, I see the Bumpy Man as needing a lot of surface area for the bumps.

I like it. And I like it much better than Neill's Bumpy man.

Only thing I might suggest is a hat of some sort. Everybumpy needs a hat.

I agree. Your's has much more character than Neill's.

I'm wondering if adding a vest might not help offset him a little against backgrounds and such.
Perhaps it could be made of bumpy leather.

Something else added clothes wise. The hat is definitely a good idea.

Edit: I did notice that there is something of an optical illusion generated by him having a vest from the front view.
It almost makes it look like a rather large head wearing a wig.
So, not sure about the vest.

I like your version too Kelly, but I think maybe there is one other thing to consider. In the script, Bumpy Man and the Witch have characteristics that are similar enough that Scarecrow draws the conclusion that the Witch must have eaten a "bumpy berry" too. That's how he gets the idea to destroy her by giving her the second berry.

Is it possible to make the bumps on the Witch and Bumpy Man similar enough somehow that a 9 year old with ADD(attention deficit disorder) would make the connection?

Possibly the same big 'ole bumpy butt? .... or something....

Looks to me like those Neill drawings have been posted to throw us all off course.

I just read the script. Posting of the script (not Baum's work) is more helpful to deciding a character's design. Neill's drawings are unusually awful in some cases.

I could interpret bumps as rolls of fat as there are lots of references to food with the Bumpy man dialog. He also is portrayed as jollyish & kindly & sappy saying such things as:

“Goodness me; fruit-cake and apple-sauce! Don’t you know where you are?”

as well as

“Me?” answers Bumpy Man. “Haven’t you heard of me? Gingerbread and lemon-juice! I’m known, far and wide, as the Mountain Ear.”

and

“I wish you would take my umbrella down to the shore and hold it over the poor fishes in case it rains,” states Bumpy Man. “I’m afraid they’ll get wet.”

and then there's something about popcorn snow

and then there's

“I can give you some fresh lemonade. I caught it in a jar the last time it rained, which was only day before yesterday.”
“Oh, is it fresh?” Scarecrow inquires.
“Always; and it’s very tasty and healthful. My bumps tell me it will be a few days before anymore falls so drink up.”
“I have not heard of weather bumps before,” said Scarecrow, quizzically. “How did you come by them?”
“From the berries, of course,” replies Bumpy man, matter-of-factly. He holds up a berry, “you may want to try one yourself.” Bumpy man hands the berry over to Scarecrow.
“Thank… You…,” says Scarecrow, looking at the Bumpy Man’s bumps in distaste. “You won’t mind if I don’t eat it right now, do you? I am not yet in need of knowing the weather… Not with you around right now.”
“Oh, yes. Keep it for later… For when you get hungry or thirsty,” explained the Bumpy man. “One berry causes you to become bumpy, like me, but if you eat another berry, then you become quite small.”


I could definitely interpret a lot of that with being an afficionado of eating and Bumpy man rationalizing that his fat deposits are weather bumps and that eating more is the next new diet plan soon to appear on Oprah.

The witch can also be fat - and have lots of bumpy bits (boobs, rolls of fat, puffy face, cheeks, butt) for an ADD 9 year old or 99 year old to make a connection (that is if they can remember what happened 30? 40? minutes before in the movie).

I believe I'll be doing the witch?

Sure Nancy. I think I read in another thread Kelly deferred to you for the female characters.
You know how picky we've all been with Kelly's drawings - and how awesomely patient and flexible he has been in redoing his drawings as we discuss them. I'm sure you wouldn't want us to treat you any differently just because you're a girl! I can guarantee you, we will want you to revise at least one of your characters more than once. I have no idea which one(s), but it always happens.

You are right. I wouldn't want you to treat me any differently because I'm a girl.

I want you to treat me differently because I'm old & feeble.

It's my opinion that Kel or any designer, animator, layouter, musician, special effector, texturer can accept or reject suggestions. Unless they are being paid. Surely you don't believe that all suggestions offered by everyone are always good? Even if they are offered by the one paying the bill. I don't think I need to remind you: Design, art, music, etc is SUBJECTIVE. There is no right answer. It will not please everyone.

With such a patronizing comment directed at me such as yours, I'm hoping I don't have to be suspect of your suggestions veiled as "constructive criticism".

Image is my offering of a sample of the wonderful potential of design by committee.

Wow. A unique, new look. This design by committee stuff is inspiring some wonderful creativity.

LOL I knew that would get you ... but I said it anyway ... because you are too far away to hit me.
OK, I won't veil my suggestions as "constructive criticism".
I like the fat one, by the way.

When all is said and done, yes, Nancy, the Witch will be as you say. Are you really suggesting putting the hat back on her? [You are make joke here, yes?]

Are we going with Fat Bumpy man? I'm ready to model another soon.

Yes.

OK, while the female designs are being sorted, I'll do this guy.

First revision. Still lots to do. Anyone know off hand why the test bumps are pixelated? Should I be using a 16 bit image? Also, I'm pondering rotating his upper body 90 degrees so that his face is upwards. It would make it easier to rig and then we could rotate him back down with bones. Any thoughts?
Also, I may put him in shorts just to try to vary the clothing.
Finally, I'll probably add some sort of shirt. I'm sure he'll want to preserve his dignity!

Thats pretty much spot on to the character design Ken.
I wish I could model like that at any speed.

Can we get side/front views?

Don't use Displacement Maps for those - model them in.

Cheers Rodney. I'll post shots when he's done....which isn't today.



Any particular reason? Modeling the bumps will increase the patch count of five point patches and be a nightmare to rig. And with such a round shape, they'll probably crease. If it's render time you're worried about, I'll do more tests and see what the time is like. This image took only an extra few seconds.

Edit: Actually, you know what, I'll buy a subscription to AM for anyone who can show me how to easily put in 50+ round lumps into this mesh, have it look convincing and keep it easy to rig.

That is so tempting!!!

Victor Navone had a couple bumps on his Alien project but Bumpy Man sure has a lot more.
William Suttons Teeth Tutorial demonstrated a pretty decent technique.
But both of these would require some extensive remodeling.

Can Fluid be made to stay in one spot on a moving surface?

Hmm... John Lemke... where are ya!

Better be careful, Ken. Stian may read this...

Ummmm.... I already have 3 subscriptions but if you just increase the patch count of the round body you only need to pull the central cp of a 4 patch group to get a lump.... No need for 5 point patches. He's lumpy not bulbous!

Cheers

I'm only following Roberts design. So, you mean like this image? It's abit grid like/organized and I'm sure not what Robert had in mind. I'm not getting why we can't use displacements. It's a perfect situation for them. Why not emphasize a cool feature of AM?!????? Isn't that one of the resons for these movies?



Here's the mesh Stian. You're welcome to join me in this wild goose chase.

Bumpy Man is next up for animation - he needs rigged & whatever.

Mark I've added bumpyman install up to step 5. So, his eyes aren't installed as his face is rotated the wrong way for the bones. I'll get started on the guard while you look at it.

Martin asked me to put bumps on Bumpy Man and try to make him a little easier to animate when he is inside his house with all the other characters, so this is what I came up with. I kept Ken's head, arms and legs because I think they're awesome, but I made the body a lot smaller. For the bumps, I have two concepts ...

First version - uses a material for the bumps.
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Second version - bumps are modeled. Mesh is 4x as dense as the first version. Only the belly and back have bumps at the moment. If y'all like this version, I'll go ahead and model the bumps over his whole body, but the mesh is going to be hella dense.
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Looks good. But don't delete the original.....rename him to something other than bumpyman. You'll obviously need to name this one that. It'd be nice to keep the original.

So, the bumps. I like the second ones but I like the color of the first ones. Maybe they could be combined? Do they not need to be similar to witches bumps too?

Ya know Ken, that would be a good idea...
Maybe I'll make another version where Bumpy Man has an exoskeleton like the witch.

Currently I have an infection in my right hand so I am not able to draw or type very well -

My feelings are that I do not like the outfit as shown for this character - the face/head is fine. The outfit does not fit with the others.

If we are redoing bumpyman, then we need to do an outfit/design that is more consistent with the design of the other characters, and is more consistent with the design of bumpyman's house.

The bumps could be fine as a combo of decals and some modeled - it doesn't have to be either/or

If you can wait a couple of days - I will do a design.

Was wondering where you were Nancy. Get well soon.

Great Nancy. Nice to see you back. I'll wait on the Bumpy Man redo until you post pics of his new threads.

I still have a problem with my right hand (but getting better) - aside from being still slightly infected, there may be a torn tendon in my thumb. Going to hand specialist (ka-ching, ka-ching) on friday.

I should know better than to wrestle with alligators.

Gimme another week - and then toss me off a cliff.

(I might have to learn how to hold a pencil, pen, stylus differently)

Sorry to hear of your troubles Nancy.
Knowing how active you've been artistically over the years I know this has got to be tough for you.
Hope your hand gets better quick!

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I should know better than to wrestle with alligators.

Bet he made it out worse than you.