Here's the first take with only the initial poses. I added in the lip sync too. Don't know what's up with SCs hat. Anyway....the crowd are just in a default pose as I don't know how you're doing them....with poses or actions. So, I'll leave them till last. You'll also have to tell me how and what their appearance should be. Also, I posed SC like the drawing as it required tilting the card toward the camera in order to get his arm round to point at it.

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PS I've also done the winki march action located here:

data/Shared Data/Actions/Generic_Winkie_March.act

Nice! ... as usual Ken.
Scarecrow or TinMan needs a pitch pipe. It's appearance in the soundtrack, without seeing any evidence of one in the shot, breaks the "believability" for me.

Thanks Holmes. Pitch pipe.....is that what the sound at the end is? I think the rabbit makes that noise. Where is that model located and I'll put it in.

I usually leave that for last since we don't know what angle we'll be seeing the mouth at until we're done. No damage done tho. The animators ideal is to get it to look like the speech belongs to him even if his mouth isn't moving.

The tinman pose is a good one. I'll need to shoot some video tomorrow for the scarecrow action.


The march is a promising start, however ...



Don't do it by moving the model bone; animate the charcter moving forward, then we'll go on to tweaking this. Let's start a thread for the march, call it 2_01_80



the model has been assigned, it's not made yet, so we'll vamp on that detail.


thanks, Ken!

Here are some notes on the motion for Scarecrow as he delivers his line

2_01_74 SCmotion.mov

Try to block out this motion, but don't get into overlaps yet.

thanks!

Hey Ken, one more thing... I just looked at the chor... move the audio back into the chor to the time it was at, don't put in an action, don't move it to a different time.

thanks!

Aye Cap'in. Moving data from frame 0 back to frame 4:04.

Robert, you address the line "Now lets try that again from the double bar" comprehensively in the video. However, the sound file in 2_01_74 also has the line "That didn't come out right" before it. What do you want scarecrow to do on that line? Thanks.

Also, is SC addressing just woot or the whole crowd? It looks like woot is being singled out....is he the voice trainer?

Finally, in the video it didn't seem like you have an anticipation before the lean forward move. Or is it the downward motion (as opposed to backward)?

In the chor i committed that part was clipped out by the play limits. What? You changed those? tsk, tsk, tsk.


Woot is the one who just blew his line, that's why Scarecrow is coaching him. As the resident know-it-all (he has a music degree from a Caribbean medical school), he takes it upon himself to straighten things out.

I'm a terrible live action reference. But anticipation is something that doesn't show up well in live action anyway.

You could go either way on this. If you do an anticipation it probably won't be a big one since, as you correctly suspect, the downward swoop sort of serves the function of clueing the audience that something is about to happen.

Also, for the scarecrow to lower his head, he'll have to curve his back a bit, which will make it go back before it goes forward. It's not the typical anticipation wee see in diagrams but it pretty much serves that purpose.

I've committed 2_01_74_orig.cho from which you may derive the original settings for the audio clip and the play range.

Yeah, I didn't note that when I dragged everything back to frame 0. Thanks for the original reference.....it makes the shot much shorter than I thought.

Here's an update.....my gut is telling me it's not quite right. But I'm not sure why. First though, I need confirmation that it indeed isn't right. Thanks.

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Here's that confirmation

but it is progress

2_01_74-take4commentsMP4.mov

and here's that marvelous stick figure from the vid so you can scrub thru it and examine it.

SC2.mov

thanks, Ken!

OK...I think I'm getting closer. Stick man helped. I totally re-did it and broke it down to just a few key poses. I can change it to holding keyframes.....I just prefer to animate in spline mode as I find it more intuitive to see which frame I'm changing. Anyway, the animation may be abit too big still (I've toned it down). I'm finding it hard to get the back looking like a curve in more subtle poses. Cheers.

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I'm on this one... I started critting it, then got distracted by something else, now I have to remember where I was going with it...

here are the notes, sorry i took so long turning this around!

2_01_74-take5commentsmp4.mov


I've comitted the revised 2_01_74.cho

thanks!

Here's the update. I put the head down on the "bar" and then have it swing into the card straight away. I think that's right. The "dig" with his head seems to be "unsmooth", but it could just be his hat making it seem like that.

Here you go, more notes...

2_01_74-take6commentsMP4.mov

thanks!

Another update. I'm having difficulties with the knee.....tried using squetch, but it looked really stretched......not sure what to do there.

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Ken, maybe if you rotate the knee in (toward the other knee), then to reposition it translate the foot further out.

Sorry, I missed this one...

2_01_74_take7commentsMP4.mov

Come and get it.

That looks good, Ken. And now we reveal more of the plan...

2_01_74V08commentsMP4.mov

and here's the promised rabbit action vid....

2_01_74_rabbittuning noteMP4.mov

somewhere in the props there's a pitchpipe if it isn't already in the chor.

So, something like this?

that's not far off but I'd like to see him scoop (arc) into that pose more and have the cue card arrive not quite so much at the same time.

Added the rabbit and tried to improve SC entrance. It's tricky making an arc out of four keyframes. I can only imagine what his hat is going to be doing!

Yes 4 frames is not much to work with but I guess that's the look were going for here I like the exit that Dhar did in shot before this but I wonder if I few more frames might still give that type of look? I LOVE that Rabbit I think that adds so much to this Scene!

Scarecrow is sliding sideways into his pose. That looks odd.

An extra frame or three for his entrance may help. Experimenting is the only way to find out. We do want to create the sense that he is entering at the same speed that he left the previous shot

Check the video for the rabbit again. I shift forward to play the note and shift back after it.

Find a spot for the rabbit in that general area where we can see him from head to toe, but preferably not overlapping the Tinwoodsman.

thanks!

How should he slide? Backwards? What are his feet doing? Should they be running for 4-7 frames? I don't know.



Yep, I missed that.



OK, but seeing him fully will mean he'll be behind the board and not to the right as you asked in the video.

Answers to your questions....

2_01_74_take10commentsMP4.mov

Understood. I'll get to it first chance I get.

How's this?

Hi Ken,

gettin' closer...

2_01_74_take12commentsMP4.mov

OK. Next update. Hopfully everything is covered. I also uniformed the winkies.

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that works good!

Any Winkies in that shot will be non-uniformed since we haven't seeen the band yet, but don't worry about it. I'm going to have George go thru and do all the background winkies on this sequence of shots so they have a consistent appearance to them.

thanks, Ken!

Oh right. I'll change them back then. It's only a find>replace job.

The Band Member model has some face changing poses he might use by dragging onto the winkie model.