Generally there needs to be enough room for a cloth to have the "collision tolerance" distance clear between it and a deflector or other cloth.
other cloth but not itself?
i've Eugene climbing up a hill, cloak wrapped 380 degrees
both arms folded across his abdomen, invisble under the cloak
and he's holding the front of both flaps so he can lift them and
not stumble on the hem -
he reaches the top and drops the flaps.
(we should catch a glimpse of the hand here)
this is what homeslice is talking about is it?
i could fake the top arm placement&movement by animating the pinch by hand?
cut to another sim with the visible hand and arm movement?