Ok I have been playing around trying to get this shape I probably am missing it I thought about trying to just animate CP but would that affect the model? When I say Woot in the mirror I get the shape I crudely draw out in picture how can I get this shape please.

I must be misunderstanding something, Mark...I'm thinking that to do lipsync for the name "Woot", it would be an "oo" with an "uh" and some tongue movement. There aren't any controls that I am aware of on the Scarecrow that would get the shape you drew...you could do it on the Tinman or TinGirl, but I don't think that's what you would want for saying "Woot". You would have to move some CP's around in an Action or Choreography to accomplish that. It wouldn't be a part of the model itself if you didn't save it in a Pose.

I could be looking at the drawing wrong though.

Hope that helps.

Ok I want to check before I touched the CP's first thanks

That is an odd shape. David's analysis is more what I would expect.

Is your drawing a widemouth pose or a small mouth pose?

Small mouth pose I will try to take a photo or video of me saying Woot and you can tell me if I am over mout acting or us Canadians just talk funny

Ok I just looked a forth time into the mirror I can mot get the same shape maybe I was not mouthing the words correctly because I am trying to hard? anyways Never Mind it must of been a late night when I tried this the first time.