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agep
This is going to be my modelling thread for Ku-Klips workshop props that I'm going to make. Eventually I'll probably be doing some modelling of the workshop itself also.

I'm now in the process of collecting references for feasible props that I might be making (so if anybody out there got some great ref's that they think would fit and that I could try to make, feel free to post them here)
First of I think I'm going to make a standalone tooltable based on this clock making table (probably going to replace the electrical system with some pedal driven one):

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alweb
Hi Stian,
Just to remain you that there is an inside workshop and a outside workshop proxie project available on SVN.
Also some prop has been done and stored in the SVN Prop/kluklip workshop.

Thanks
Al
jandals
Brilliant Stian! The Workshop set is defined by the amount of stuff in it and we don't have any things like this yet.

Looking forward to this thread,
Rhett
agep
Have started on the table (will add a few shelfs on the tabletop). I have been looking at some spinning wheels, and I think I will try something similar for this table (a pedal on the floor that spins a big wheel on the side of the table). Shall I make the drawer in front wider, or shall I maybe have two?

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agep
New update. I decided to give the table an extra drawer. I've also started on the drive gear. I have no clue whether it works in reality or not, but I think it looks okay smile.gif

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martin
Is this the table Tin Woodman is laying on the first time we see him in flashback during Sequence 1_04? (BTW, it's an awesome table.)
agep
QUOTE(martin @ Aug 27 2006, 06:02 PM) *

Is this the table Tin Woodman is laying on the first time we see him in flashback during Sequence 1_04? (BTW, it's an awesome table.)

Hmm, It could be. However, as it is right now it is only 1.5m wide, and would not fit an whole person. Is the whole Tinman supposed to be on the table or only parts of him?
NancyGormezano
Stian, I am always blown away by your models. Great table, lots of character. You have a wonderful knack for making everything a work of beauty.
martin
QUOTE(agep @ Aug 27 2006, 09:09 AM) *

QUOTE(martin @ Aug 27 2006, 06:02 PM) *

Is this the table Tin Woodman is laying on the first time we see him in flashback during Sequence 1_04? (BTW, it's an awesome table.)

Hmm, It could be. However, as it is right now it is only 1.5m wide, and would not fit an whole person. Is the whole Tinman supposed to be on the table or only parts of him?

This is the kind of place to throw in some ideas! For example, it might be cool to have some weird telescoping stirrups that stick out of the end of the table to hold the feet up, (like a gynecologist table). Or maybe cables and pulleys hanging from the ceiling keep the feet up (like a patient in a cast in the hospital). I don't think you need to make the table larger, just increase the size of your imagination.
agep
QUOTE(NancyGormezano @ Aug 27 2006, 06:42 PM) *

Stian, I am always blown away by your models. Great table, lots of character. You have a wonderful knack for making everything a work of beauty.

Thanks for the kind words Nancy

QUOTE(martin @ Aug 27 2006, 06:50 PM) *

This is the kind of place to throw in some ideas! For example, it might be cool to have some weird telescoping stirrups that stick out of the end of the table to hold the feet up, (like a gynecologist table). Or maybe cables and pulleys hanging from the ceiling keep the feet up (like a patient in a cast in the hospital). I don't think you need to make the table larger, just increase the size of your imagination.

Great ideas Martin. I'll see what I can do
agep
New update on the table. Have added some clutter (a few test tubes and a air pressure driven drill/pen). I'm going to try to make the footrest next

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KenH
Nice. Maybe longer indeed. Or another table that's longer....or an add on to this table.
agep
New update.
This is the solution I came up with regarding the footrest/headrest after a 8 cups of coffee. What do you guys think? Shall I stick with this solution or drink more coffee? (have not yet made the height adjusting pedal/handle)



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jandals
Looks excellent! You're on the right track. For a workshop, the top of that pedestal might be a flat surface or a kind of cradle instead of a cushion. Whatever's at the top (even that cushion) it's a great solution!
agep
Thanks

Here is a small update. I've added a heightpedal for the footrest. Also modelled a small grindstone (or polishing disk?), which is turned on/off by lifting/lowering the handle on its right side to connect/disconnect it to the drivegear.

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Russel_Nash
Wow, this is really a great model. I love it.

Just one thing. I would place the "gear" part on the other side (see image). I don't think it's very handy to have it right on the working space. It would be quite dangerous for the fingers.

IPB Image

Russel
agep
I didn't move the gear part to the table outside, but I moved them a bit more to the end, and placed the rack on the outside of them.

I've also done a quick texture test, but I'll work more on it

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rodger_r
QUOTE
...(so if anybody out there got some great ref's that they think would fit and that I could try to make, feel free to post them here).

Stian, I realize from your cute tool table that you're going for a hand crafted, tinkerer vibe but I noticed in this post, workshop concepts, that there's a machine shop on the mezzanine.

I have a large selection of pictures of various large machine tools from a 1921 railroad maintenance catalog, a very few of which I've shown here; old machine tools. I'll be building the first tool, the steam-hammer, for the machine shop.

These images are thumbnails compared to their original resolutions (approx. 3 mpixels x 3 mpixels). If you're interested in building any of these, let me know and I'll send you a higher res version. On the other hand if you'd prefer to see a wider assortment of thumbnailed tools, just ask.
ypoissant
I, too, have a set (about 120) of technical pictures from 1905 and 1935. They might be inspirational. Not necessarily to model them as is but to get a feel of the technical esthetic of that time.

Here is a sample. The actual scans are at 200dpi and are much larger than that
agep
Those are some great references, thanks biggrin.gif We should get the AD to select a few for me to reproduce/use as inspiration, they look really fun to model
martin
QUOTE(agep @ Aug 31 2006, 12:02 PM) *

Those are some great references, thanks biggrin.gif We should get the AD to select a few for me to reproduce/use as inspiration, they look really fun to model

You're going to have to be your own AD on this one, Stian.
jandals
In Ku-klips workshop, we're going to shoot scenes in a "tinkering area" that'll have lots of benches and smaller tools. The background shots will have a lot of larger machinery in it, mostly items from Alain's sketches.

Some of those pictures have a very "electrical" look to them and would be out of place in the Workshop.
http://www.hash.com/forums/uploads/post-70-1157047891.jpg
http://www.hash.com/forums/uploads/post-70...48010_thumb.jpg
http://www.hash.com/forums/index.php?act=A...st&id=20178

Rodger's got several items that'd be good to have. For example:
http://www3.sympatico.ca/rodger.reynolds/e...s/WIP/punch.jpg
http://www3.sympatico.ca/rodger.reynolds/e...adial_drill.jpg

And Yves's compass would be good, too.
http://www.hash.com/forums/uploads/post-70-1157047932.jpg

Aparently, there's no shortage of reference material out ther. Rodger, I'd be intersted to see some more thumbnails of what you've got.

Rhett
rodger_r
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...I'd be interested to see some more thumbnails of what you've got.

Rhett, I've added a dozen more thumbnails.

old machine tools

If anyone's interested in doing the oxy-acetylene cart, I can make available an oxygen tank without gauges.

The last photo isn't to suggest that I think Ku-Klip should have a 200 ton crane. I just think the image of a steam locomotive hanging from a crane is cool. smile.gif
agep
I've been a tad sick this weekend, so I haven't managed to do much. But I have been looking through all the great reference images and picked a few to start with.

Ill be working on the end punch and shear, the radial drill, oxy-acetylene cart and the compass.

Did you have high res images of them Rodger? If so, can you post them here or send them to me?
Thanks

rodger_r
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Did you have high res images of them Rodger? If so, can you post them here or send them to me?


I just e-mailed them to you Stian.
agep
QUOTE(rodger_r @ Sep 3 2006, 09:47 PM) *

I just e-mailed them to you Stian.

Thanks Rodger, they are great
agep
Here is an update on the table:

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And I've also started to carve out the basic shape of the single end punch and share tool

*note* I'm using the tool refs as inspirational references, so I'm going to take a lot of artistic freedom on the modeling (mainly because I don't understand how these tools work tongue.gif )

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KenH
Lovely textures. Of course, they'll be more oily and grungy on the set.
agep
Thanks Ken

Here is a small update on the single end punch thingie:

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jandals
QUOTE(rodger_r @ Sep 1 2006, 07:22 AM) *

I just think the image of a steam locomotive hanging from a crane is cool. smile.gif

Agreed smile.gif Thanks for sharing more images. Those are excellent!

Stian, your modelling looks great, as always.
agep
Thanks Rhett

Here is an update on the tool:

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agep
New update (but far from done....)

I've done some more modelling on the tool, and I also tested some textures on it

Let me know what you think

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KenH
Cool. Is that a material or a decal?

Also, did you get the previous tools made by Vern a while back?
martin
QUOTE(agep @ Sep 5 2006, 01:31 PM) *

New update (but far from done....)

I've done some more modelling on the tool, and I also tested some textures on it

Let me know what you think

It looks like a mechanical magnet?! You know: you turn the crank and the magnet pulls on metal, (rather than it being made of ferrite material like traditional magnets with that shape.) It got me wondering how such a magnet would work? Oz is indeed a strange and wonderful place.
agep
QUOTE(KenH @ Sep 5 2006, 11:55 PM) *

Cool. Is that a material or a decal?

Also, did you get the previous tools made by Vern a while back?

Thanks Ken. I've used Dark Tree materials on this one. Unfortunately I don't have the models made by Vern

QUOTE(martin @ Sep 5 2006, 11:57 PM) *

It looks like a mechanical magnet?! You know: you turn the crank and the magnet pulls on metal, (rather than it being made of ferrite material like traditional magnets with that shape.) It got me wondering how such a magnet would work? Oz is indeed a strange and wonderful place.
Huh? Does mechanical magnets exist? hehe, when you mentioned it, this thing does look like a weird huge rusty mechanical magnet tongue.gif

small update:

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KenH
QUOTE
Unfortunately I don't have the models made by Vern


Well dagnabit. I hope they're somewhere....maybe on the svn.
agep
The weird tool is done smile.gif
I'll model the oxygen tank cart next

Stian

*edit* hmm, when looking at it more I think it looks like a cross between a huge rusty magnet and a sewing machine tongue.gif

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NancyGormezano
QUOTE(agep @ Sep 7 2006, 11:02 AM) *

I'll model the oxygen tank cart next


I was just going to suggest that - every sewing machine needs an oxygen tank - especially if it's run by magnetism.

Looks great - (perhaps the sewing machine needs an AGEP logo? like the Singer logo)
lazz
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I was just going to suggest that - every sewing machine needs an oxygen tank - especially if it's run by magnetism.


Nancy you crack me up laugh.gif

QUOTE
perhaps the sewing machine needs an AGEP logo? like the Singer logo


I second that. I think that's a really good idea and I say go for it Agep!

Also, That's a really well done example of mechanical modeling. Something you definately excel at Stian. So I was hoping that if you had time would you post a wireframe. There's a lot of mechanical modeling that will need to be done for this project, and looking at the splinage of stuff like this can really be a useful reference for others (and myself) to attempt high quality models such as this one. Thanks Stian! Great work! -lazz
agep
QUOTE(NancyGormezano @ Sep 7 2006, 09:00 PM) *

Looks great - (perhaps the sewing machine needs an AGEP logo? like the Singer logo)
Haha, actually I thought about it earlier (it is some kind of logo/text stamp on its side in the ref), but I recjected it since I thought I would be a bit ego... biggrin.gif


QUOTE(lazz @ Sep 8 2006, 12:35 AM) *

Also, That's a really well done example of mechanical modeling. Something you definately excel at Stian. So I was hoping that if you had time would you post a wireframe. There's a lot of mechanical modeling that will need to be done for this project, and looking at the splinage of stuff like this can really be a useful reference for others (and myself) to attempt high quality models such as this one. Thanks Stian! Great work! -lazz
Thanks lazz. Here is the wire:


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cosmonaut
Stian,
Your mechanical models never cease to amaze me. Great work! Ku-Klip's gonna have quite a workshop.

Kevin
agep
Thanks Kevin smile.gif

Here is the start on the oxygen tank cart:

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agep
And a small update smile.gif

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Stuart Rogers
Looking good. I'm assuming you've taken your proportions from reference pictures, but... All the gas bottles I've come across (I work in a lab that has occasional need for them) have fairly square base plates - the carts generally are big enough for one bottle alone, and have a baseplate just the right size to hold the bottle.
agep
QUOTE(Stuart Rogers @ Sep 10 2006, 11:15 PM) *

Looking good. I'm assuming you've taken your proportions from reference pictures, but... All the gas bottles I've come across (I work in a lab that has occasional need for them) have fairly square base plates - the carts generally are big enough for one bottle alone, and have a baseplate just the right size to hold the bottle.
Thanks Stuart. This is the reference image I'm using, wich also have a acetylene tank (atleast I think so) next to the oxygen tank. The propotions of my model is judge by eye, so I guess there will be a great deal of adjustments along the way. Here is yet another update, with some texturetests. Next to do is the acetylene (?) tank, the hoses and the blowpipe

Stian

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Stuart Rogers
OK, fair enough - I've never seen a double-width cart before. I like the rust texturing.
agep
New update on the cart
Have started on the acetylene tank and done some proportion adjustments

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Rodney
It looks a bit modern but what can I say... great modeling and texturing. smile.gif
agep
Thanks Rodney. I tried to demodernise it by changing the decals on the meter to something older looking. I've also modelled the meters and handles on the acetylene tank. Next up is the hoses

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agep
I consider this model done. Moving on to the next object

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