Hi

Kevin (cosmonaut) will take the corridor set in hand.
Here is the thread for the corridor set
Everyone who is willing to help is welcome to show up here.

Thanks to Kevin!

So to start you up,
I've created some directories on SVN

data\Shared Data\Models\Set_chors\Tinmans Castle\final castle\Corridor

Put your files there.
I've also create two sub-directory : proxie and ressource

proxie dir have a .mdl of the corridor proxie, I've extracted it from Bob's general castle proxie

ressource dir have a copy of Rodger pillar and arch...
so you can adapt it in your corridor assembly.

BTW look how Rodger's throne room is built into an action files, using action object.
This should be the way to go for your set too.

Your welcome to invite any friend of your to help in modeling.
there is some sketches available for the corridor somewhere on the wiki site???

http://wiki.hash.com/two/show/Tin+Woodman+castle

Thanks
Al

I see you corrected my name, I was wondering who this Steve guy was and how he stole my username...

Anyway, looking forward to getting started this weekend. One problem though, I can't seem to find your sketches. I've looked through the twiki and can't seem to find them anywhere. I don't have the wiki login and browsing the public area comes up empty on the castle set design page. Any ideas?

Kevin

Hi Kevin, I know, there is lot of name and nick name around here ! hehehe

Have you try this link ?
my corridor sketches is at the bottom of that page.

http://wiki.hash.com/two/show/Tin+Woodman+castle

Al

Tried again, still getting blank images on that page.

I see them under "Designs/Set Designs/Tin Woodman castle," (then wait for a while for all the big images to load).

Still no luck, I've tried at work and at home, IE and Firefox. Under IE I get a bunch of X's. Any chance you could just post the pictures here? Thanks.

Kevin

Hi Kevin

Those sketches are just inspiration...base your work on the animatics.
and use Rodger's pillar and other castle element in your contruction(**work from copy )
so we keep the general design and style overall the castle.

Al

Ok, thanks. One question ... how close to the proxy do I need to make this thing?

The corridor proxy follows the over head sketch done by Bob of the rooms. That has been changed drastically now with the new throne room and the garden is in a totally different place in the castle.

No animation has been done yet in the corridors (right?) so I would say you have a clean slate. I don't think you need be too nitpicky with these sets as they won't be in the movie very long.

Well, Kevin

Look at the block animation done or to the animatics to get an idea of how it should copy the proxie.

I would say copy the proxie in size and proportion...
use castle element developed for the throne room, scale,colomn,arch etc.
and use sketches to add props , details etc.

Build the setup in an action if you can , using action object .
so we should be able to update element quickly later...
*** no link to throne room part, or work on the original throne room parts , use copy in your own SVN dir.

Thanks
Al

Hi,
So to help Kevin with this set Marcos(nickname xtaz) generously offer his help.
So welcome to Marcos !


Marcos see with Kevin the details of his schedule and procedure.
You can ask any additional question you might have here...

thanks and welcome again
Al

Thx again Alain ..
I tried to acces corridor wiki but i havent password to do it .. how can i obtain a password ?


Then Kevin ..... I hope to help you in this task.. what are you thinking about corridor set ?
are there models done ???
if possible, show me all steps that you are proceeding as well the project details

now ill study SVN ... how does it work ???

Ill give my best to help you fellows ... and as I said to Alain ... this will be a pleasure ....

thanks

Hi Marcos,

For the wiki website, where you'll find information about hoew to setup the SVN etc.
try this link :


http://wiki.hash.com/two/published/HomePage


About SVN, you'll need to download a freeware named; turtoise and have AM v13.
the full project download is quite big but you can choose which part you want in the AM option panel.


http://wiki.hash.com/two/published/svn

http://wiki.hash.com/two/published/SvnWalkthrough

http://wiki.hash.com/two/published/SvnInstall


Thanks
Al

Hi Al ....

Im trying to download some images whit SVN, but I cant...
Im following SVNwalkthrough ... step 4
Press the ’Receive’ button. It will bring up a dialog asking for what folder you want the TWO data in.
I cant see dialog .... in TWO movie ( comunity ) appear this :
"C:\Documents and Settings\Xtaz\Meus documentos\TWOData Receive command sent to SVN client. .."
and stop ....

any tip ???

Hi ,
Have you set the directory you want to upload in the AM option ? there is a SVN panel now .
It is where you can set your local root and the directory you wish to download...

maybe your problem is there ?

do you have some directory there or what ? :
C:\Documents and Settings\Xtaz\Meus documentos\TWOData Receive command sent to SVN client.

-delete those directory...\TWOData Receive command sent to SVN client.
if there is any folder like this...

-Create a TWO project folder at root of your C drive
-Once done target this folder into AM option SVN panel for your local directory

and try again ?

hope this would help...
Thanks
Al

I assume this set needs abit of a push from the lack of updates. I've some free time, so let me know what to model.

Hi
Ok Ken cool!
See this with Marco (x-taz) ...hope he had been able to log to SVN since the last post.

Thanks
Al

Bumpty bump.

Huh ?eh ? What's happen here ?

heuuu...any news ?
Are you lost in that corridor ?

Al

I made a start on this set.....

It look nice Ken !

You can reuse Rodger's throne room arches and pillars since it's inside the castle...

Thanks
Al

Does anyone know of a way to copy a modified action object exactly with any changes made in the action?

you should be able to copy the changes by selecting and copying the keyframes.

I wasn't able to copy a Model-bone keyframe from a choreography to an action object. You might be able to import the throne room assembly action into your action...

Rhett

I don't know, but import an action into another should be something possible ?.

There's another issue of the same kind that I would like to mention.
If you got (let say) a pillar used as action object
that pillar have some bones and you modify the pillar shape in the action directly
like translate, scale, rotate etc.

Now you add more of this pillar as action object like a dozen...
and you want all pillars to have the same "shape" as the first you did with the bone manipulation

I was under the impression that if I select the root bones and copy keyframe of that action object , I would be able to paste coordinate to other pillar used as action object...
But it doesn't work... It should cause everything is the same ? ....it's the same model I mean...

Hum ! if you have to enter all XYZ coordinates of scale, translate and rotate so 3 X 3=9 fields , let say on 3 bones per pillar so 9 X 3 = 27 coordinates ...if you want 12 pillars for 12 X 27 = 324 coordinates ! quite time consuming it's the least we can say !
...
Usually I don't go as far and I create a special pillar already modified so...
anyway it's just to illustrate the thing.

I would be a nice feature to add...what do you think ?Am I lost in the field or ?

Thanks
Al

That's what I'm trying to do Al. And I can't get Marcel's suggestion to work. So, I guess it's number pasting time....and a feature request in AM:Reports.

Right, I made abit of progress on this set. Al, I was thinking of adding railings at the top...I guess they'd be the same as the throne room.....then maybe just copy and flip the whole room so there are two staircases. I'd make the room seem bigger and make it seem like a central hallway that leads to several rooms.

Thanks Ken,
Look at the animatics and do only what is needed...put your eye in the camera point of view
...for the rest , I'm sure you'll do it great !
...just a comment :IMHO bigger you'll made the corridor , lower the " impact" of the throne room will be...


edit :mmm? after all, it can be very big , if we keep lights focused on character and low ....I mean with lights effect we can preserve the "surprise" of the throne room ?


keep us posted

Al

Ok, I extended the walkway out abit so the camera can pan if it needs to. Left to do: Something ornate round the windows and add the railings.
The columns and arches are Rodger's handiwork.

It look good Ken!
As you said a window frame and the railing will be cool.

I'm not sure if the stairway should be close to the wall ...maybe just right to the wall ? the little space between the two seem odd?

have you plan to blend the arch to the wall in some way ?

I think the curtain placement and shape should be re-design in a fancy way.

maybe under the first floor ,between the arch some curtain would look nice ,...close the space


...what about some frame on the wall for big paints ?

look at the wiki site...I've done sketches of misc castle throne room...it give idea for curtain and stuff to put on wall...

a last thing , the chair are too big...look like throne.


nice start Ken


Al

Hey Al,

You're right, the space between the wall and stairs does seem odd. But rather than stick the staircase closer to the wall in the corner, I'd rather make it more central. Right up infront of the windows. I think it would make it more grand. I'll do that and see what you think.

The arches just need to be made the same colour/material as the walls....other wise they blend. I guess I could do that as the models are different to the ones used in the throne room.

I'm not sure of your plans for the "curtains", but they're meant to be murals with pictures of the characters on them. However, I think showing Tinman or Scarecrow before the throne room would be careless. Maybe images of the lion? What do you think now you know they're murals/tapestries?

Good idea about curtains under the platfrom. I'll put them behind so as not to hide the arches.

I can make some frames yes. Also, I was thinking.....some coats of arms/suit of armour/statues of a character.

I'll see if I can modify the chairs. I'd like to keep them the same style as the throne though. Not just for continuity but I also think Tinman's character would want everyone to feel like a King in his castle.

I'll post another soon......

If you want the large archway and hall in this room to have the same treatment as in the throne room (see attachment) I can send what I have in to Jody for inclusion in SVN.

Yes please. Can you send the railings too if they're not already on svn. Thanks Rodger.

just a reminder: be sure to work on copy.
we don't want cross link between corridor and throne room.

thanks
Al

I've just FTP'd a zip file of the throne room to Jody for conversion to v13 and transfer to SVN as well sending him a message. This version is only a few days old so it should have everything you need.

Okay folks... Rodger's updated throne room is on SVN for everyone.

Beautiful stuff Rodger... TWO thumbs up!

Thanks Jody. Here's an update. Still decor like paintings and statues to add. And do something with the arches like above.

Jody/Rodger.....the new props for the throne room all have v13 appended to their names. Now they have to be relocated on all the animation projects/chors.

The easiest fix would be to rename (using svn software) each model and deleting the "v13" off the name.

nice work Ken!
I like the three window facing the stairway...much better


Al

Added the royal seal/crest above the door. I still have to add an axe and tin hammer crossed in it along with engraving. Naturally the shield is in a heart shape.

Ken, this is looking fantastic. I love the way the crest is turning out.

Thanks Jeff. Here's a closer view. I may leave it as two axes and in the middle is a tree stump. I'm going to use 3DPainter for the engraving.....assuming I can afford it!

Ken, is this set on SVN? I'd like to use it.

Rhett

It still needs work, but it's ready for animation. The chor is located here:

Shared Data\Models\Set_chors\Tinmans Castle\final castle\Corridor