I'm sure that I have asked this question before in the past but can't find the answer anywhere:

I have accidentally edited a pose at the wrong position/percentage on a pose slider. I need to find the keys that I have set there and delete them.

How can I see the keys for everything that I have set at that point on the slider so that I can select and delete them?

Paul,
Make sure the time line is open.
Make sure the show more drivers does not have a red x trough it.
Select the model the slider is controlling.
Go down to the user properties and select the slider is question.
Locate the place on the timeline where the offending spot is, then drag a window around it and delete.

I like to use the default timeline (non-channels) view to locate items like that.
David

Thanks, David.

Sorry, I think you misunderstood what I mean here. I can locate and delete keys on the timeline but that is not what I am trying to do.

It is keys on a 'Pose Percentage Slider' that I am trying to locate and delete. Keys of a percentage pose rather than keys of an action or choreography.

Ohhhhhhh sorry about that.

Did you happen to use some defined place on the slider to make your adjustments?
I usually make all changes on set increments (10% 20& etc), that way if I have to go back and make changes I can zero in on where I made the changes.

I don't ever remember seeing any keys in a slider.
Is it possible there would be something in the proj file you could see if you opened it in notepad?

Good luck.
David

While in the Relationship, go to the frame (%) that you want deleted. Group the errant CPs. Click the Delete Keyframe button.

Hi Paul, if you go to the project workspace of you model, and open the relationships you well see all the pose sliders poses, and from there you can delete any unwanted poses, they still show up in your pose slider, but they will no longer work. Hope that helps kathryn

Yes, that is roughly what I do. Thanks, David. I see Martin has come to the rescue.



Thanks, Martin! As simple as that, huh? Great!!!


Also, thanks to Kathryn. It was a little more obscure than just deleting poses. I was trying to delete just the changes that are keyed at one point on a percentage pose. I notice that you are a newbie. Welcome! And make a note of this. You will probably be asking yourself how you do it soon. I have been using A:M for years and still find questions that I need to ask every day.

Cheers, all!

Hi Paul.

When I'm editing relationships (poses) I usually like to 'edit' the pose so it opens in an 'Action' window and displays as an 'Action' in the PWS and turn on 'Show more than drivers' option. Then it is really just like editing an action, almost. Visually easier because you can see what the model is doing at the keyframe in question and edit it as if it were an action, kinda. It really takes the guesswork out of it. I hope this is helpful.

Thanks, Mark!
I'm not sure I understand what you mean though.

I was talking specifically about poses that use pose-sliders.

If you edit your poses from within an action you are not editing your poses are you? I mean you are just adding transformation values on top of the transformation values that are stored in your poses and not editing the root pose itself.

If I create an action, turn on 'show more than drivers' and open up my Relationships I don't get access to my pose data anyway. The only values that I can see in there are Enforcement and Lag. Not what I wanted.

Martin has explained how to wipeout any mistakes that I might make while setting keys on my sliders, by using the 'delete keyframe' button, but it would make sense to be able to see where those keys are set though.

If I am just being stupid and missing your point I am very sorry. i am not being deliberately obtuse.

Yes. When you open a pose for editing by selecting 'Edit Relationship', it actually opens in a temporary action window. You will also see, under the "Action" folder in the PWS a temporary action created for editing that pose. When you close the pose edit window, that action also disappears. I noticed this while creating lip sync poses for my last character. (I'm using v12.0s, by the way).

You see, you do not create an action yourself, A:M automatically creates this when you open the pose for editing. The relationship editior seems to use the action editor's windows and such.

Try it. Select the pose in your PWS, right click and select "edit relationship". After the edit window opens, check out the "action" folder and you should see a new "action" named something like "Relationship1 ...". Then close the edit window for that pose and you should notice that the action is now gone.

Don't feel bad, Paul. I've been using A:M for almost a year now and I just noticed this phenomenon about a month ago.

If you turn the "show more than drivers" on in that "action", then you should see a list of all the bones and cp's that you have keyed for the pose in that tree. A pose slider's values are represented as a parameter versus "time" in the timeline window for any object you created a keyframe in your pose.

Thanks, Mark.

There are many things in A:M that I have never tried and I have my own cack-handed way of going about things. I have tried to reproduce what you describe above but I don't get the same results. Time for a complete new look at relationships I think.

I will have another attempt later, after I build a couple of new relationships into an A:M13 version of a model. I will post the results of my attempt to follow your method with a screen cap of my PWS to show you what I mean.

Thanks again for your input and for just taking the time. :-)

By the way I do feel bad. I have been using A:M since version 8.5! :-o

Here are some screen shots to illustrate what I am talking about. The action window is simply an interface to manipulate objects (bones, cp's, etc.) for your pose whilst in editing mode. Some other things such as pose enforcement are editable there, too, but I really haven't played with that yet.

This may be nothing totally new to you, I'm just trying to clear up confusion. "A picture speaks 1000 words"

I hope this helps

The timeline's "time" represents the postion of your pose slider as frames. This is so you can edit the drivers for your bones and cp's and tailor really smooth transitions and tweak everything just right. And to answer your original question, you can find the key in the driver, in the timeline window, for what you need to modify and delete it, or reposition it as necessary.

I don't know if that helped Paul, but boy did it explain a lot of things to me! Thanks for the effort!

Scott

As an addendum:

If you notice in the timeline window, my drivers span a time from 0:00:00 to 1:40:00 (one hour, 40 minutes). A:M is translating the percentage values of the pose slider to represent 0:01:00 (one minute) per percentage value. Since I left the pose slider settings to default range from 0% to 100%, 100 minutes of time is spanned in the timeline window (or one hour, 40 minutes) for my drivers.