Here's where I will be modeling the Tin Guardsman/Servant.

Jim: Could you post a link to the eyeballs that everyone is using for the models? I can't seem to find them on the forum.

Also, does he have a neck or does his chin just run into the torso?

He has four fingers in the pic. Should I give him three or four?

Thanks Jim.

Jeff,

Here are the eyeballs.

I think you can make him so that his neck just blends into his face, with a seam at where it meets his chest. Yes, go with four fingers. We're not going totally cartoony, but caricature-ish/ stylized realism.


Jim

Here's the face so far. What should I tweak? Too much splinage? Not enough? Let me know.

He looks great Jeff!
BobT

Here is the nearly finished head. (Still have the inside of the mouth and some eyelid stuff to do.)

Jim: I used and augmented, the ears fromt the "Woot Head" Post. I ifgured it would be easier for me, and the ears would match. Let me know if that's ok.

Jim and/or Bob: What should I do for the inside of the mouth? How many teeth, etc...

That's it for now. Time to start on the body until I hear about what more I need to do with the head .

thats an absolutely great looking head - what a character!

Wow! Great progress, Jeff. I love it.

I can post teeth and gums that I used in some models if you want. No sense re-doing unnecessary work. I'll do it tomorrow, though. No time right now.

Jim

Thanks, Nancy!

Jim: Thanks. Yes, posting your gums & teeth model will be great. A tongue would be nice too . Anything that saves time is great.

Here's the newest render with the funnel hat and "hair".

Whoa... very nice!
Having supporting actors like this is really going to make this movie even greater.

Outstanding splinemanship!
Rodney

Looks cool.

What's the design origin of that hat?

Wow. Great start. You have managed to give him a lot of personality

absolutly perfect!
BobT

Nice! He's going to be great. I notice that the top lip seems to be quite thin. Also, the strap doesn't necessarily have to "stick" to the contours of the face.....for example, there could be a gap going up to his cheek from his jaw.

I wonder if we're going to be modeling alot of winkie characters. There are some saying goodbye to the group in the animatice. It seems alot of extra work for just one scene. I think the story can still work without the villagers and concentrating on the select group.

Ive been thinking about that it would be nice to do as pixar did on incredibles .Have one generic character that can be manipulated into many easily.Im going to try to design the ultimate winkie this week end.
BT

Thanks everyone!

robcat2075: I don't know where the original idea for the hat came from -- Bob, I'm thinking. I just build it as I see it .

KenH: Made the top lip thin -- well -- actually there is no top lip at all. I see he didn't have one in the ref, so I didn't give him one.

The strap will probably have to be totally redone once we see what real hair will work like on him. I'll probably just leave it as is for now.


Jim: Where's my mouth stuff! .

Thanks again.

BTW I have a similar cloak in my Yoop model. You can use it if you like. The model's in the thread.

PS Also, Bob, if you ever did want to avoid that scene with the villagers saying goodbye, you could have the servant say something like:

"There's a great crowed awaiting your departure"

But Tinman says,

"Actually, I'd rather leave by the back door. Please throw a party in my stead"

This might enforce Tinmans humbilness (sp?) and his embarrasment about why he's going on the trip.

Of course that's if you didn't want the scene....

Great modeling Jeff, it looks fantastic.

I've been missing alot of good modeling lately, too busy.

Great work Zaryin ! splendid modeling work !


Al

Good idea Ken ... Ive taken a few back doors in my day, but I think its important that we see how loved and reveered the tinman as a benevolent leader is We will figure someting out. Its an important character point if we are to care for the poor love sick fella.You know everybody loves him but he cant have the one he loves stuff.
BT

Yeah... we've just GOT to have a crowd scene.
I think there are several opportunities where EVERY A:M User who has ever wielded a mouse can have a character in a crowd scene. I think there are at least two crowd scenes in the movie (more or less); leaving the castle and in Loonville.

In order to get the variation and number of characters needed perhaps one of the A:M monthly contests could be a 'Design your own Winkie' contest where the generic character is used as starting point.** This could then be expanded into the Animation Contest where you would have to animate your character waiving or somesuch... a render to TGAs with alpha channel on and the images would be ready to be composited into the scene.

The winners of the contest could have their characters highlighted while the rest of our characters mingle in the background.

J U S T G O T T A h a v e at least one C R O W D S C E N E!

Rodney

** Just thinking off topic here too. If the rules stated that you could not delete or add CPs/Splines to the basic character (just mold, tweak and adjust) this could lead to some serious character morphing possibilities later on down the line not to mention what a programmer could do by extracting the change data. Just a stray thought though... sorry... I'm just thinking if *this* winkie looks this cool... what might 100s of them look like.

Awesome job so far Jeff, keep up the good work! Looks like you would've done a fine job on the Green Monkey (he was just too good of a character to give up ). Can't wait to see more progress on him...

Kevin

Once again, thanks everyone for the comments.



Thanks Ken, That's a good idea. I'll take a look when I get farther on.




I like this idea. I also like the Bob's generic winkie idea. Although I like these ideas they should probably have their own thread called, "Winkie Crowd" or something, haha .


Here is an update with wires. This is just the base torso so far. I like to build up from a base.

Jeff,

Fantastic job so far! He looks like he can be very flexible in his expressions.

Here is the teeth and tongue model I promised. I can't take credit for them. Someone else modeled and posted them and now I can't find that thread. But they should work well in your model.


Jim

Thanks Jim -- and whoever modeled those teeth .

Yeah, I'm not happy with the cheek area where that 5-pointer is. I will be tweaking that forever so I am going to leave it alone for now.

Zaryin, you are doing great job! Your models are great... I've seen your demon character elsewhere (in other thread) and I have to say that I you are making excellent work with all of your models!!!

I found the thread where I got the teeth.

http://www.hash.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=5200&hl=

Jeff Lee generously posted them.

Jim

Thanks alot, trajcedrv. That demon model was from a couple of years ago, but I always liked him.




Well Jeff, if you read this thanks for the model .

This model is looking Fantastic! So cool!

Frank Silas

Thanks alot, Frank.

Here's a small update on the base body. I'll start detailing now. The thing I think is going to be hard is the armor for his torso. I am a little trepidatious on how to do that well.

Yeah, the shield-like plate that he has going down his pants is going to limit his ability to bend and move quite a bit. (Plus, it's gotta hurt!) Maybe it should just be a chest plate? But for now, just model it as you see it.

The shoulder guards shouldn't be too much trouble. You don't have to try to show too much detail about how they attach and such. Mark can handle rigging them in the right way. Just model things one at a time. I'm sure you will get enough feedback to keep you headed in the right direction. The embossed circles around the shield will be pretty difficult to model. We may just do a bump map or normal map for that.

He looks great!

Jim

Hey Jim, do you think I should model the pleats in the shouldercuff thingys?

Yes. There will probably be lots of 5 point patches, but I think we need the actual geometry there.

Jim

Wow! you've really capture the sketch with this one. Great work, Zaryin! I like it a lot!

Ok, no problem with this for me. Might be for the animators, haha.




Thanks alot, Matt. I appreciate the support.

Here is an update with the armor, sans straps. I got the belly armor to conform fairly well. I would have got it better, but I can't find where to increase the amount of cps in a Distortion Grid. If someone would be willing to point me to where I could, please let me know. Thanks.

No critique from me, Jeff. He's coming along perfectly! Keep going.

Jim

Tools/Options/Modeling/ - change distort grid res

& I LOVE this character - he's looking terrific...

Thanks, Jim.

Thanks alot, Nancy. Both for the compliment and the info.

Here's a new version with pleated puff cuffs.

Jeff great modeling of course...Savant of Modeling !...

Excellent modelling, Jeff!!!

Wow, he just keeps getting better and better. Fantastic work! He's got so much personality even in the default pose.

Kevin

Let me join the choral and say great job my only comment is he could be slightly taller or slightly slimmer to look taller he has to dominate over Woot,This is a guy I think we all want to animate.Wonderful modeling.
BT

Jeff,
He looks great. If you don't mind me saying, I think your modeling has come a long way in the last 6 months.

Thanks everyone for your great comments.



Thanks Bob. Do you think he should be skinnier from the front, side or both? Won't he be taller? Won't that make him look menacing? Just asking. I'll wait for you say on this before I do any modification on the size of him.





Thanks alot Paul. I haven't really been paying attention to see if my modeling is better, but thanks.

Here's a real quick "colored" render.

Bob: Here's a version with the legs and arms elongated. Let me know as soon as you can if this is the way you want to go. If it's good, do you still want me to skinnify him?

EDIT: This was jusy a real quick pulling of cps. I can get it to look better than what is posted here.

Jeff it looks great, but I think the crotch is too high.

I thought he was well proportioned as he was. He could be any height....6 foot or even 8 foot.

Thanks guys.

Here he is with the tweaked legs an arms. I made him a little skinnier from the side. I also conformed the belly armor to him better. I fixed the crotch a little, but I'll see if I can get it better.

I probably won't be doing much more until I get a negative or positive to the new proportions. I might add the little tie-on things on the back of the legs near the calves next, or the strap for the belly armor, of the hands, etc... I guess there is some stuff I can work on .

Bob and/or Jim: Let me know as soon as you can about the proportions.

looks fine to me.
BobT

Thanks, Bob. I'll start working with the re-proportioned model now.