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Apr 6 2011, 04:39 PM

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Here is the beginnings of the second set...the break room. The room has two doors leading to a hallway (one door is shown here), the floor, baseboard and acoustical ceiling tile. I put the chair in the shot as a visual reference...eventually, there will be at least six tables with six chairs per table, kitchen cabinets, sink, soda machine, emergency lights, light fixtures, fire extinguisher, coffee maker, etc.

Of course, it's not lit properly yet, but I wanted to show a little forward movement on this.

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itsjustme View Member Profile	Apr 6 2011, 05:31 PM Post #3
David Simmons......me. Group: Hash Fellow Posts: 4,679 Joined: 19-September 03 Member No.: 114 Name: David Simmons A:M version: Current Hardware Platform: Windows	QUOTE(robcat2075 @ Apr 6 2011, 08:22 PM) How did you get the ceiling in there? Since it is an AO render, I rendered the room without the ceiling, then rendered the ceiling and composited them together. -------------------- Get the latest Squetch Rig (updated 10/06/2011). Eye modeling tutorial. My AM:Films tutorials

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robcat2075 View Member Profile	Apr 6 2011, 05:40 PM Post #5
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Ancient Chinese Secret Group: Film Posts: 4,632 Joined: 6-October 03 From: Taos, NM Member No.: 567 Name: Holmes Bryant A:M version: Current Hardware Platform: Windows Contests Won:*	Great looking set David. QUOTE Since it is an AO render, I rendered the room without the ceiling, then rendered the ceiling and composited them together. Have you tried setting the ceiling model to Options > Cast Occlusion > Off ? I was under the impression that if you do this, you don't have to render twice and composite. -------------------- My A:M Tutorials (too many to list) Building Your First Rig (Part 1) Building Your First Rig (Part 2) Building a Hand Gizmo (Part 1) Building a Hand Gizmo (Part 2)

itsjustme View Member Profile	Apr 7 2011, 01:42 PM Post #10
David Simmons......me. Group: Hash Fellow Posts: 4,679 Joined: 19-September 03 Member No.: 114 Name: David Simmons A:M version: Current Hardware Platform: Windows	QUOTE(HomeSlice @ Apr 7 2011, 12:58 PM) Great looking set David. QUOTE Since it is an AO render, I rendered the room without the ceiling, then rendered the ceiling and composited them together. Have you tried setting the ceiling model to Options > Cast Occlusion > Off ? I was under the impression that if you do this, you don't have to render twice and composite. Hmmm, I haven't tried that, Holmes. I'll do some messing with that. Thanks! -------------------- Get the latest Squetch Rig (updated 10/06/2011). Eye modeling tutorial. My AM:Films tutorials

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Apr 8 2011, 01:47 AM

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I tried some experimenting with having the ceiling set to "Cast Occlusion/Off"...I'll need to do some more experimenting to see if I can get better results than I have so far. Here's an image done using the previous method, so, the lighting is inaccurate, but it will show what's in the room at this point. Still a lot to do.

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itsjustme View Member Profile	Apr 8 2011, 09:30 AM Post #14
David Simmons......me. Group: Hash Fellow Posts: 4,679 Joined: 19-September 03 Member No.: 114 Name: David Simmons A:M version: Current Hardware Platform: Windows	QUOTE(TheSpleen @ Apr 8 2011, 12:18 PM) Whats rendertime on all the chairs? It took about thirty minutes for an AO render (plus about fifteen minutes for the ceiling render)...my laptop isn't the fastest. I rendered using v15 on a 32 bit OS as well. I'm thinking it would be a lot faster in v16 on a 64 bit system. Also, the backgrounds will get rendered once per angle instead of every frame...which should save time in an animation render. The patch count for this room is 108,327 at the moment...of course, it'll end up being a lot more than that. -------------------- Get the latest Squetch Rig (updated 10/06/2011). Eye modeling tutorial. My AM:Films tutorials

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Jul 5 2011, 04:50 PM

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Here's a "take a breath" image before I model the sink...which will be added to the cabinets. The doors and drawers are rigged, there is an interior with shelves as well. When I get more modeled, I'll do some more angles. The lighting hasn't been put in yet, so this is an AO render with the ceiling removed.

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itsjustme View Member Profile	Jul 6 2011, 01:19 PM Post #19
David Simmons......me. Group: Hash Fellow Posts: 4,679 Joined: 19-September 03 Member No.: 114 Name: David Simmons A:M version: Current Hardware Platform: Windows	QUOTE(Zaryin @ Jul 6 2011, 10:08 AM) Did you try using negative lights? I haven't done any actual lighting yet, I'll be doing that once I get things modeled, Jeff. So far, I've only used AO to get a rough idea of whether the modeling looks the way it should. -------------------- Get the latest Squetch Rig (updated 10/06/2011). Eye modeling tutorial. My AM:Films tutorials

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Jul 7 2011, 11:15 PM

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Here are a few more images...the sink from above, the inside of the cabinet below the sink and a shot with all of the cabinet doors and drawers open. Lots more to do.

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itsjustme View Member Profile	Jul 8 2011, 02:04 AM Post #24
David Simmons......me. Group: Hash Fellow Posts: 4,679 Joined: 19-September 03 Member No.: 114 Name: David Simmons A:M version: Current Hardware Platform: Windows	QUOTE(Paul Forwood @ Jul 8 2011, 04:06 AM) What? No waste trap? Are you going to run fluid particles through your plumbing to check for leaks? Amazing detail, David! There's a single 'P' trap in the center...although I didn't make it with screw connectors. I copied it from an actual sink. And yes, I'm being a little ridiculous, but I'm leaving myself the ability to open those doors in future animations in the break room. At the moment, I'm planning on opening the refrigerator and at least two other things I haven't made yet. Thanks for the encouragement Paul, Myron and Jason. -------------------- Get the latest Squetch Rig (updated 10/06/2011). Eye modeling tutorial. My AM:Films tutorials

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itsjustme View Member Profile	Jul 8 2011, 01:17 PM Post #28
David Simmons......me. Group: Hash Fellow Posts: 4,679 Joined: 19-September 03 Member No.: 114 Name: David Simmons A:M version: Current Hardware Platform: Windows	Thanks guys. I'm trying to power through the largest part of the modeling so I can get to lighting and texturing things...there are at least six more things to model before I get there. I figure that I'll probably keep adding little objects to make the sets look "lived in" as I go along as well. -------------------- Get the latest Squetch Rig (updated 10/06/2011). Eye modeling tutorial. My AM:Films tutorials

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pixelstix Group: Hash Fellow Posts: 1,144 Joined: 17-December 04 From: Alberta, CA Member No.: 5,017 Name: Chris Dailey A:M version: Current Hardware Platform: Windows	Out of curiosity ... Are there separate objects assembled in a chor, or are you modelling one big object for the set? Or modelling separate objects, and then importing them all into one object? P.S. I am completely fascinated and in awe, but feel repetitive if I say that each and every time you post something new. -------------------- - *Chris* Only obsessed people ever accomplish anything. - M. Ashton My friends dream of retiring to play WoW full time. I dream of retiring to animate with A:M full time. Eggs, Potatoes, and Bacon Browse and add information to the Hash Wiki!

itsjustme View Member Profile	Jul 9 2011, 01:05 PM Post #30
David Simmons......me. Group: Hash Fellow Posts: 4,679 Joined: 19-September 03 Member No.: 114 Name: David Simmons A:M version: Current Hardware Platform: Windows	QUOTE(mouseman @ Jul 9 2011, 07:03 AM) Out of curiosity ... Are there separate objects assembled in a chor, or are you modelling one big object for the set? Or modelling separate objects, and then importing them all into one object? When a model gets to around 10,000 patches, I start breaking it up into smaller models. In the break room, for instance, the cabinets are separated into upper and lower with the doors for each being separate models, the countertop and sink are a single model (2,282 patches), the floor (15,287 patches...it had to be a single piece) is separate from the baseboard (6,180 patches), the ceiling tiles are broken up into two models and the ceiling tile frame is two models. The refrigerator is actually a single model (7,657 patches). Everything is then assembled in the Choreography. The easiest way is to model everything in the location it will be, at the moment I only have a couple of things that require Actions (chairs and tables, those are multiple instances of the same models). QUOTE(mouseman @ Jul 9 2011, 07:03 AM) P.S. I am completely fascinated and in awe, but feel repetitive if I say that each and every time you post something new. I have the same problem when posting to threads, especially when I can't find something to critique...I run out of ways to say how much I like it. I generally wait until a significant amount has changed before posting again. When I post an update, I'm sort of making a mental bookmark for where I'm at on whatever it is...it becomes my "if things go wrong, I can always start over from this point". It's also positive reinforcement, showing myself how much I've gotten finished and the renders are made mainly to make sure I didn't miss anything...doubling as something I can post. I appreciate any feedback or critique I get, but I don't expect it, Chris. -------------------- Get the latest Squetch Rig (updated 10/06/2011). Eye modeling tutorial. My AM:Films tutorials

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Jul 18 2011, 04:20 AM

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A little more progress...I have added a microwave and a quick trash can. Still more to do.

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itsjustme View Member Profile	Jul 18 2011, 09:05 PM Post #35
David Simmons......me. Group: Hash Fellow Posts: 4,679 Joined: 19-September 03 Member No.: 114 Name: David Simmons A:M version: Current Hardware Platform: Windows	QUOTE(mouseman @ Jul 18 2011, 10:09 PM) QUOTE(itsjustme @ Jul 18 2011, 06:20 AM) Still more to do. Some things for consideration (if you haven't thought of them already) ... Paper towel roll and holder? Some junk on top of the fridge? How about one of those plate domes that prevent food splatters for the microwave? A bottle of dish detergent and a sponge? Some copies of comics on the wall (I'd suggest Dilbert if it were a software development office)? ETA: A box of Tim Horton's donuts. A newspaper. Some magazines. Coffee pot/maker. Tea bags, coffee stirs, sugar packets. I'll be adding a lot more incidental objects as I go along, Chris. For now I'm just going to worry about a coffee pot, dishwasher, soda machine and television. Once those are finished, I'll light the room and start to texture what I've got. Then, I'll go back and add things as I make them. ---------------- EDIT ---------------- I forgot to mention the light fixtures...those will need to be done before I light the set as well. -------------------- Get the latest Squetch Rig (updated 10/06/2011). Eye modeling tutorial. My AM:Films tutorials

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Jul 10 2012, 05:19 AM

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Okay, I'll dust a few things off in this thread and then post an update.

Here's the soda machine and approximately where it will be located in the break room.

I use these renders to find things that need fixing...the break room tabletop edge looks like it could use some tweaking in the shot of the room. I'll be going back and tweaking the modeling on everything just before I texture each object. At this point, I may see about lighting the room so that I can get a better idea of how things will end up looking and give some thought to the textures.

Lots more to do, of course.

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